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PostPosted: Sun Apr 01, 2007 4:36 pm    Post subject: Mostly for Corbun Reply with quote

Ok, I just wanted to share my excitement about this with anyone who is interested in RL Ninja/Samurai stuff. I hope no one takes this as bragging...


I have recieved emails from my teacher about an upcoming "Myth Busters" episode about Ninja. They filmed Dale Seago about 2 weeks ago for this, Dale Seago is a very respected and incredibably interesting person. This is a link to his online resume: http://www.bujinkansf.org/dale/

Dale Seago "trains" my teacher, and that is how I know about the Myth Buster episode.

This is a copy of the most interesting email I have recieved about this:

So, MythBusters did their shoot yesterday for their upcoming special on
“The Ninja”, filming three segments in all. I don’t think it could have
gone much better than it did. I want to thank everyone who showed up to
help out, and most especially Joel Everett: Without him the morning segment
just would not have been the same. I needed someone for that who knows how
to use a sword to add realism to the sword/shuko demonstration, and no one
from the San Francisco dojo was available during that period.

The morning segment was exploring the “myth” (?) that shuko can stop a
sword cut. They elected not to do the sword cutting through the shuko
experiment (they may do that later with their own folks at M5), and just
focused on the “ninja stopping the sword cut” part. I demonstrated that
with Joel. Fortunately I had the opportunity to explain that what makes it
possible is not only intercepting the right area of the blade, where
there’s less
force, but also the tactics that set things up so it can work: Surprise
(not giving the attacker the idea you’re about to try something so crazy);
manipulation of distance so the attack occurs when YOU want it to rather
than on his initiative; dropping the body down and in under the cut; etc.
They were surprised to find that we were going to be actually moving
around, jockeying for position, as in a real fight. So then they wanted to
see it done. (They also explained, on-camera, that their insurers would not
allow the use of a sharp blade for safety reasons. We used a mogito that
Joel had brought along.)

Joel and I had not practiced this beforehand at all. In fact, it occurred
to me that though I’ve seen it on the Togakure ryu video from Quest, I’d
never done this before at all. But no one who saw us would think so.
Actually, I threw in another element they weren’t expecting. Joel’s energy
and movement were such that it really did feel like a real fight; so when
he attacked I didn’t just stop the sword but kept moving, reversing the
blade and “cutting” his neck while throwing him.

About twenty times’ worth, as they kept filming from different angles. I
was told later the look on the crew’s faces the first time they heard the
“KRANG” of the blade on the shuko was really worth seeing.

Then Tory tells me, “Now we’d like you to do the same thing with one of our
crew swinging the sword. Can you do that?” I said sure.

Turns out my attacker was Kari Byron, who’d been quietly watching up to
that point.

There were no “practice runs” before going on-camera with her either,
though I did show her how to “get the distance” by placing the sword at my
head and then stepping back. I didn’t try to correct her kamae, which was
some sort of weird hasso-esque thing. For her we started from a stationary
position, not moving around. Her eyes definitely widened the first time, on
impact with the shuko and feeling her movement stopped – what she lacked in
form and technique she made up for in enthusiastic commitment to the
strike. I think we did at least ten takes together on that one.

Tory also asked me some “interview questions”, including asking me to
describe the last time I’d seriously kicked someone’s ass. I said I was a
lot prouder of the time I saved two people from each other, as one was
attacking the other with a broken bottle. Nice to be able to get that “life
values” message in there. At the end, he jokingly asked if it was true
that “Only a Ninja can kill a Ninja”. I told him I didn’t think so, as I
was pretty sure an occasional pirate had managed to get lucky. . .

The afternoon session featured Adam & Jamie walking into the dojo while a
class is in progress and observing for a bit before introducing themselves
and asking a few questions about the reality of ninjutsu. We’d been told
they might also want to participate. We had about 25 people training,
working on the Kukishin ryu kata Iso Arashi when the camera started. They
threw another surprise at me. I asked them if they’d like to try out what
we were doing, and Adam said that actually he’d prefer to just attack me
and try to kick my ass and see what would happen.

I told him “Okay, do whatever you want”. I don’t recall exactly what that
was, but I remember that at one point I had him in a good position for
something like a ganseki nage or muso dori; he felt it and started to move
into/toward me from the opposite side of his body, and I sort of just
slipped away and withdrew support from his structure and he fell down. He
wanted to try it again. This time I got to about the same point and moved
in a different direction, taking up all his space and leaving him nothing
to do but fall down. No real grappling or throwing on my part. He
commented, “That feels really weird!”

Then he said, “How about if you had some kind of a weapon and I attacked
you, what would you do?” I said, “Okay, just a second”, left for a moment,
came back, and told him to go ahead. He tried to grab my lapel & punch me.
I directed his punch across in front of me on my right, while my right hand
inside his left elbow also moved out to my right, unbalancing him. I
continued to move in, pressing into his lower back/hip area with my right
fist and taking him more backward, then took a left step behind him while
simulating a smash to the face with my left elbow as my right forearm was
across the back of his neck; then I rubbed the back of my right fist across
the back of his neck while my left forearm pressed his head & neck straight
down to the ground, onto the back of my right fist.

As he started to get up, I opened my right hand so he could see the
four-pointed senban shuriken (which is not legally a shuriken in California
–- and yes, I explained this -- because it has no sharpened edges). I showed
him just what would have been happening with it at each step, ending with
the base of his skull being “spiked” onto the shuriken against the ground.

Adam thought it was unutterably cool, and asked Jamie if he wanted to try
something himself. Jamie declined.

The last bit was over at M5 and had to do with arrow-catching. No, they
didn’t want me to try to catch one, as I’d already explained that that’s
what armor was for. But they’d built a gadget that would propel a simulated
arrow – a fluorescent pink plastic tube with an arrowhead-shaped piece of
soft
plastic on the front – along a cable at varying preset speeds. Adam had
managed to catch it once, by the tail, the day before when it was going at
60 mph. What they wanted to do was use a high-speed camera to take two
measurements, one of my hand clenching and the other of my arm and hand
going through the whole “grabbing” motion (about 3 feet of movement)
so they’d have a baseline from someone with martial training to
give an indication whether a hypothetical ninja might be able to catch a
flying arrow. Well, my movement was about 30% faster than Adam’s, so they
felt good about that.

I’ve put some pics I received from Dan Ardoins in a new “Mythbusters” photo
album at our sfbuyu yahoogroups site. I’m still expecting some from Robert
Dunbar, who I think has a good shot or two of the shuko/sword stuff with
Joel; I’ll put those up when I get them.

-- Dale


That email was written by Dale himself. I hope you guys found it interesting, I don't know when this episode will air, it probably wont be for awhile.

This epidsode will air on Wednsday april 25th, this looks like it will be awesome!


Here are some links to videos about some Samurai stuff on Youtube.com

http://youtube.com/watch?v=QvWiYcxTm2A

There are a few videos there with Soke Don Angier of the Yanagi Ryu. I've met and trained with Soke Don Angier, he is nothing short of amazing! He is an awesome guy too.
Here is a link to biography if any of you are interested:

http://www.bugei.com/angier.html

I hope you guys found this interesting ^^y
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 05, 2007 5:40 am    Post subject: Elb Reply with quote

Yo dude wassup. Thanks for that post sounds like a really cool episode of Mythbusters just wanted to let you know tho and i have confirmed this with my multiple japanese contacts that Ninja never existed. They were basically like a ghost story that one "clan" would tell the other to scare them into subbmission. the ONLY elite fighters were the samurai. They may have had some assasins BUT the were not like the ninja that hollywood leads us to believe ill talk more later on it got a party invite ^^ see ya around brother
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 05, 2007 12:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

hahaha

check the bottom links to Youtube for your Samurai Yumminess Very Happy


Hows the game man? (and everyone else) Im not around to play much right now.


Happy hunting guys
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 05, 2007 5:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

and why do you quit again as soon as I come back? Sad
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 07, 2007 12:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I know its fucked up big guy. I have a new job right now and it has been beating the shit outta me XD

I'll be back soon though man. Life is a bit turbulent again right now.

I'm bouncy like a Wave-Man! (I wonder who knows what that means)

Still leveling up your monk? Gotta go, friend is in the hospital and she needs me. Got class too

<Take> ^^y
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 17, 2007 8:40 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I miss you Rykey!! pm me a messenger ID fewl!

For those who are interested this Mythbusters episode will be aired 4/25! Ninjas > Pirates.
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