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Mishlai · Posted: Sat Mar 29, 2008 9:22 am Post subject:

Which included NC, btw. Good to know. Still, I'm a kinder gentler gun owner, and I'm not going to kill anyone unless I genuinely must.

In essence, if I shoot someone the circumstances were serious enough for me to not give a shit whether it was legal or not.

What is it my Dad used to say?

"I'd rather be tried by 12 than carried by 6."
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Mishlai · Posted: Sat Mar 29, 2008 9:32 am Post subject:

Oh, and you should look at GA if you want to see a state that doesn't give a shit why you shot somebody, as long as you did it in your house.
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CrushFearSynth · Posted: Sat Mar 29, 2008 11:12 am Post subject:

Loupy Lobo · Posted: Sat Mar 29, 2008 2:37 pm Post subject:

"You shoot me first!"
"No, you shoot me first!"
Does this sound retarded to anyone else?
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khimaira · Posted: Sat Mar 29, 2008 11:03 pm Post subject:

Mishlai · Posted: Sun Mar 30, 2008 5:10 am Post subject:

CrushFearSynth · Posted: Sun Mar 30, 2008 5:37 am Post subject:

Mishlai · Posted: Sun Mar 30, 2008 9:21 am Post subject:

Correct, so the new law only applies in situations in which you would already have been tried for murder. The NC Castle laws mean that I would not be tried because of meeting other conditions, such as the person being in my house unlawfully and I have reason to believe that he is going to commit a felony.

I don't have to let the burglar shoot 1st to get out of hot water for defending myself, my home, etc.

The law is saying that it's (always) not murder if you give them the opportunity to shoot first. It isn't saying that it is (always) murder if you don't. Previously legal shootings are still legal, this only expands the conditions under which you can bust a cap.
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CrushFearSynth · Posted: Sun Mar 30, 2008 10:36 am Post subject:

Mishlai · Posted: Mon Mar 31, 2008 2:52 pm Post subject:

I like boys.
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CrushFearSynth · Posted: Mon Mar 31, 2008 4:44 pm Post subject:

I should hope so. If not, that would make me a rapist.
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Mishlai · Posted: Tue Apr 01, 2008 10:42 am Post subject:

lol
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Madhatte · Posted: Tue Apr 01, 2008 1:29 pm Post subject:

You guys are a bunch of dorks. From the bottom of the page:

Mishlai · Posted: Tue Apr 01, 2008 1:32 pm Post subject:

That's damn embarrassing. Also, you're still wrong Crush.
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CrushFearSynth · Posted: Tue Apr 01, 2008 5:49 pm Post subject:

Actually, that's the third site I went to talking about it, and just happened to be the one I linked. I guess no one told N.C.'s state government it was a joke. In any case, I'm actually still right - you cannot kill an intruder unless you can reasonably prove your life is in danger. This includes N.C.'s version of the Castle Doctrine. You're still going through a Grand Jury hearing regardless. So there.
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Mishlai · Posted: Wed Apr 02, 2008 10:28 am Post subject:

the fictitious article you linked doesn't discuss proving your life is reasonably in danger, so that isn't even what I was talking about. I'm discussing the let-them-shoot-first rule that doesn't actually exist.

And even the "life in danger" bit seems incorrect in this case, as unbelievable as that is:

(a) A lawful occupant within a home or other place of residence is justified in using any degree of force that the occupant reasonably believes is necessary, including deadly force, against an intruder to prevent a forcible entry into the home or residence or to terminate the intruder's unlawful entry (i) if the occupant reasonably apprehends that the intruder may kill or inflict serious bodily harm to the occupant or others in the home or residence, or (ii) if the occupant reasonably believes that the intruder intends to commit a felony in the home or residence.

Item (i) is what you're discussing, but item (ii) does not require my life to be in danger, just that he's in my home and about to commit a felony. I wouldn't shoot someone in those circumstances, but I could.
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Madhatte · Posted: Wed Apr 02, 2008 11:19 am Post subject:

[quote]
Item (i) is what you're discussing, but item (ii) does not require my life to be in danger, just that he's in my home and about to commit a felony. I wouldn't shoot someone in those circumstances, but I could.[/quote]

Depends on the felony. If he's gonna steal my car, he can have it. It's insured. If he's gonna burn the house down with me in it, he's going down.
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CrushFearSynth · Posted: Wed Apr 02, 2008 12:40 pm Post subject:

[quote]the fictitious article you linked doesn't discuss proving your life is reasonably in danger, so that isn't even what I was talking about. I'm discussing the let-them-shoot-first rule that doesn't actually exist.[/quote]
We were arguing that you had to be under threat of death or grievous harm in order to use deadly force. And we were both fooled by the shoot first law, but as I said, the first site I found was supposedly a government site. Also, in the case of N.C., it appears the Wiki is completely wrong, as there is no actual Castle Doctrine for that state. There is currently a petition to get the government to adopt one, which was submitted as a formal bill a while back. It hasn't completely been through both houses of N.C. government yet. As it stands, you may only fire your weapon at an intruder that is [i]trying[/i] to get into your home or car(e.g. through your door if someone is trying to break it down). Once they are fully within, you are required by law to retreat and cannot use deadly or any other force except to defend your life.
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Mishlai · Posted: Wed Apr 02, 2008 4:25 pm Post subject:

Something appears to be wrong with the phpboard tags, I'll leave them in in case it starts working or something.

CrushFearSynth · Posted: Wed Apr 02, 2008 6:15 pm Post subject: