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Trassin · Posted: Fri Jun 29, 2007 9:48 am Post subject: Discussion: Supreme Court Rulings

I'm making one thread to cover their decisions because I don't want to make a new one every time they do something that catches my eye.

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Mishlai · Posted: Fri Jun 29, 2007 11:49 am Post subject:

While I prefer what you suggested, this is one of the only race based initiatives that I supported. I hope they do what you suggest, because the little bit of desegregation that this provides would be a shame to lose.

People tend to clump with the familiar and similar, and then they fear the unknown, and it just perpetuates. Not that years of doing this have ended racism, but it seems like it would help, or rather that things might get worse in its absence.
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CrushFearSynth · Posted: Fri Jun 29, 2007 12:13 pm Post subject:

ashlad · Posted: Sat Jun 30, 2007 2:31 am Post subject:

Mishlai · Posted: Sat Jun 30, 2007 2:50 am Post subject:

I agree with you completely on affirmative action.

All I'm supporting is the idea that children in all white areas and children in all black areas both gain something by going to school together.

Financial disparity is definitely the better way to address everything that is currently categorized under affirmative action.
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ashlad · Posted: Sat Jun 30, 2007 2:54 am Post subject:

Eh. Grants or scholarships, sure. Employment, no.
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Mishlai · Posted: Sat Jun 30, 2007 6:04 am Post subject:

You mean use economic status for grants and scholarships right? I agree.
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CrushFearSynth · Posted: Sat Jun 30, 2007 9:51 am Post subject:

I disagree. Creating better economic opportunities for those with smaller means I could get behind. But scholarships and grants should only go to students who have proven that they are worth the investment, regardless of any kind of background. Hard work should be rewarded, not circumstance.

Mishlai · Posted: Sat Jun 30, 2007 12:00 pm Post subject:

It's still a step up from hardly seeing them. And yeah, it costs money. I accept that.

Merit is still important, but a B in the ghetto and a B in Beverly Hills are not equal, and accounting for that will help kids in shitty circumstances work their way to better futures, which is win win. I'd rather that guy ultimately make $50k/yr at IBM than cost me $50k/yr in San Quentin, and if I need to invest some money up front during his childhood, that's all good.
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CrushFearSynth · Posted: Sat Jun 30, 2007 5:28 pm Post subject:

The education is the same, though. Perhaps you could argue the materials aren't the same quality, but most inner city schools are fully stocked with everything necessary for a good education. Offering a more integrated environment does nothing to get kids paying attention in class. Your idea definitely wouldn't hurt, I'm just saying I don't think it will make a difference.
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ashlad · Posted: Sun Jul 01, 2007 5:40 am Post subject:

CrushFearSynth · Posted: Sun Jul 01, 2007 7:26 am Post subject:

That's just the point, I don't have any better ideas. But I'm smart enough to be able to poke holes in other people's ideas. I think I have a great chance at the Democratic Primaries.
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ashlad · Posted: Sun Jul 01, 2007 8:12 am Post subject:

Sweet. I'll vote Republican.

Honestly, nothing'd be better than the current state of affirmative action. Take that the way it's meant.
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CrushFearSynth · Posted: Sun Jul 01, 2007 10:41 am Post subject:

If I knew how you meant it, I would be happy to.
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ashlad · Posted: Sun Jul 01, 2007 10:27 pm Post subject:

Mm, more irony.
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Mongolio · Brigadier Elite Joined: 25 Mar 2005 Posts: 4976

How about if they just used physical location? If you live on this block, you go to this school. If that, then that.

Pretty simple to me.
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Trassin · Posted: Tue Jul 03, 2007 4:43 am Post subject:

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Mishlai · Posted: Tue Jul 03, 2007 12:24 pm Post subject:

Pell grants are need based aid.

Texas has a program where the top 10% of each high school gets acceptance and tuition to state colleges. This doesn't favor the economically depressed, but it does allow competition among others of similar educational background, instead of just statewide competition based on standardized testing. That evens the field some.

That sort of thing. I'm actually a fan of making the public school system state funded rather than county funded. I don't think that the children of poor areas should have shittier public schools, and they do. Public schools should be equally funded per capita in a given state.

Just an idea. And I don't agree on the school funding thing Crush, if the money didn't matter to education quality, then affluent communities should be calling to de-fund the difference in their schools because all of that extra money is being wasted.
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CrushFearSynth · Posted: Tue Jul 03, 2007 3:26 pm Post subject: