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PostPosted: Fri Nov 02, 2007 3:48 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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My suggestion is that, unless you are a hardcore Final Fantasy fan, you pass it up.


I have never seen why people say that. This game has no resemblance to any previous FF game in game play or style.

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I left 30min after starting because I felt the interface was the worst imaginable. You can reconfigure it, but when the base controls are counter-intuitive, you will spend as much time changing them as you would to experience 1/2 the game content


The controls are prefect for this game. When I first started playing WoW and COH I switched my controls to the FFXI style and it worked great there as well. It's not bad, it's simply different as Yob eludes to above. It allows you to keep both hands usefully busy at all times with just the keyboard. You never have to stop any type of movement to execute button macroes to pull off moves and it allows for more moves without crazy complex macroes.

I can see why some people can't get used to this style, but it certainly isn't "bad." My best friend played FFXI for about a month and liked certain elements of the controls a lot more than WoW's. Having played both games a ton, I don't think FFXI's interface is any worse than WoW's in any way. The huge advantage WoW has is they are MUCH more willing to publish versions at a much more rapid pace than the SquEnix team allowing them to more actively respond to their populace.

Again, this game isn't for everyone, but that is not due to an inferiority of the play controls.
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 02, 2007 4:11 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

As the game is designed for PS2 and Xbox as well, you can easily configure a gamepad to play the game with. At least a couple members here have experience playing the game with a gamepad, they may be able to shed some light on that.
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 02, 2007 4:57 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Most people use WASD for movement (dunno if that's the default here...), but I use ESDF.


At least I'm not the only one, first thing I do after installing a new game is to switch my movement keys to EDSF.
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 02, 2007 5:32 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I have never seen why people say that. This game has no resemblance to any previous FF game in game play or style.


I agree with you on play. There's obviously some stylistic similarities(My Black Mage has the Petasos), and the basic job ideas are similar. The gameplay has nothing to do with any other FF any more than D&D Online is "just like playing the pen and paper".

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...The controls are prefect for this game.... You never have to stop any type of movement to execute button macroes to pull off moves and it allows for more moves without crazy complex macroes.

Again, this game isn't for everyone, but that is not due to an inferiority of the play controls.


Agreed. Only game I know of that I can move my character and rotate the camera an opposite direction all with one hand.

The controls are a lot more intuitive if you use a PS2 controller. I mean they fit the controller, but if you take the time to learn the keyboard controls, it's harder to go to PS2 as it's inherently slower.

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PostPosted: Fri Nov 02, 2007 5:38 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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As the game is designed for PS2 and Xbox as well, you can easily configure a gamepad to play the game with. At least a couple members here have experience playing the game with a gamepad, they may be able to shed some light on that.


I decided to put a copy of FF on my comp in case my wife wanted to watch TV. Since I'm used to playing on the ps2, I got a controller for it also. There is no doubt there are disadvantages to playing with a controller AND a keyboard(to type), but I'm used to it and have never been able to adjust to keyboard controls for moving, which is why i didn't last more than 10 minutes on WOW.

So I would never say it's the easiest, or smartest, thing to do, but it works for me when I actually use the pc to play.
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 02, 2007 5:55 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

My hand still gravitates to the num pad when I sit down at a keyboard.
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 02, 2007 6:10 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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My hand still gravitates to the num pad when I sit down at a keyboard.


So what you're saying is that you're coming back for the expansion? Fire up the Delorean and get it up to 88 miles per hour. We're going back in time.

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PostPosted: Fri Nov 02, 2007 6:20 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

We're getting the band back together?! The BEB reunion tour?!
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 02, 2007 6:27 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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PostPosted: Fri Nov 02, 2007 6:36 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Can Wendell do the keyboard?
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 02, 2007 7:18 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think back-up vocals would be more appropriate for Wendell. All the effort, half the results.
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 02, 2007 8:18 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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My suggestion is that, unless you are a hardcore Final Fantasy fan, you pass it up.


I have never seen why people say that. This game has no resemblance to any previous FF game in game play or style.


I made this because the game is, in fact, Final Fantasy. I wouldn't have played Star Wars Galaxies if it wasn't Star Wars. Those two share the same similarities as FFXI does with Final Fantasy. They are related primarily in name only.

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I left 30min after starting because I felt the interface was the worst imaginable. You can reconfigure it, but when the base controls are counter-intuitive, you will spend as much time changing them as you would to experience 1/2 the game content


The controls are prefect for this game. When I first started playing WoW and COH I switched my controls to the FFXI style and it worked great there as well. It's not bad, it's simply different as Yob eludes to above. It allows you to keep both hands usefully busy at all times with just the keyboard. You never have to stop any type of movement to execute button macroes to pull off moves and it allows for more moves without crazy complex macroes.

I can see why some people can't get used to this style, but it certainly isn't "bad." My best friend played FFXI for about a month and liked certain elements of the controls a lot more than WoW's. Having played both games a ton, I don't think FFXI's interface is any worse than WoW's in any way. The huge advantage WoW has is they are MUCH more willing to publish versions at a much more rapid pace than the SquEnix team allowing them to more actively respond to their populace.

Again, this game isn't for everyone, but that is not due to an inferiority of the play controls.


I'm sure the controls are perfect for the game. The game was designed to be played on a console and thusly the PC version seemed just a port. Since I don't play RPG's on consoles, much less a MMOG, the default UI was far too cumbersome from the stand-point of someone who games on PCs. I basically made a snap (perhaps far too hasty) decision to bypass a game that will take much more time for me to learn basic commands than it would for me to enjoy playing the game.
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 02, 2007 8:56 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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The game was designed to be played on a console and thusly the PC version seemed just a port.


The PC version launched some 18 months before the PS2 version and some 24-30 months before the 360 version? I have a very hard time believing this game was designed for a console. If FFXI was made for a console and ported to the PC this is the greatest port in the history of ever.
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 02, 2007 9:47 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

It was originally released on PS2 in Japan, on May 16, 2002 and was released for Windows on November 5, 2002. Released in North America on PC on October 28, 2003, and PS2 in NA on March 23, 2004.

I play on PS2, and the controller set-up was incredibly easy for me to pick up on, even as what had been at that point a fairly casual gamer.
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It was originally released on PS2 in Japan, on May 16, 2002 and was released for Windows on November 5, 2002. Released in North America on PC on October 28, 2003, and PS2 in NA on March 23, 2004.


The Japanese don't count... they are from the future.
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 02, 2007 5:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

My only issue with the controls was that the mouse had to be clicked on the lower half/lower quarter of whatever you tried to target. I'd gladly remove a hand from the keyboard to target what I want, when I want and be efficient at it. Why add a mouse if it barely works? Target nearest, next, previous... or just click.... I choose click, but that's a personal opinion from someone who likes tanks.

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PostPosted: Fri Nov 02, 2007 7:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I want in on the reunion tour! I can play a mouth harp like you wouldn't believe!

P.S. See you all when the 360 WotG bundle hits stores toward the end of Nov!
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 05, 2007 1:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Tamberine aye? I demand bass or turn tables
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 05, 2007 3:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

They have a Bass Tamberine? Well its all yours bud.
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They have a Bass Tamberine? Well its all yours bud.


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