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PostPosted: Sat Jun 12, 2010 7:34 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I foresee a LOT of Coldplay
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PostPosted: Sat Jun 12, 2010 9:53 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I hope it makes it to Wii and is still decent on that system.
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 28, 2010 6:29 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

So, part 3 came out yesterday. I've only played it for a few songs, but I have to say that so far I like it. Rock Band 2 felt more like Rock Band 1.3. This one has a lot of solid upgrades.

The keyboard is a nice addition, although ultimately not too different than playing the guitar. Now with 7 possible band members(3 singers, guitar, bass, drums, keyboard) there's a lot of flexibility, and they seem to have handled it well.
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 28, 2010 2:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Do you intend to get the real-ish controller and try pro mode?
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 28, 2010 6:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

For sure. The one that is a real, legit guitar hasn't been dated/priced yet. The "Almost real" Mustang guitar is supposed to be out soon. I might end up getting that one to hold me over, but it depends I guess.
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 28, 2010 11:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Cool, definitely let us know how it is, because that really has me intrigued.
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 29, 2010 6:49 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Right now I can only play "Pro" mode with the keyboard, and it's a bit of a leap up. There aren't many songs that I can't play on Expert guitar(And most likely keyboard) throughout the series, but "Pro" mode makes me feel like a complete noob all over again.

I'm a little worried about how they're doing the notation for the guitar, but I guess we'll see.
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 29, 2010 10:10 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm definitely interested in your perspective, since you actually play guitar at some level, so I'd like to know how you think they compare.
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 12, 2010 12:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I broke down and bought the Mustang Pro guitar(A rock band guitar with 102 buttons), even though I really am looking forward to the Squier(Which is an actual real guitar that is also an xbox controller), but they announced it wouldn't be out till March.



The buttons seemed a bit off putting to me from the pictures. It just seemed like it wouldn't feel "right". I expected playing full chords to feel awkward, and that the whole thing would be a ridiculous and unnecessary adjustment, but I'm happy to report that for the most part I was wrong.

I set everything up, and ran through a tutorial or two, but after getting quickly bored, I jumped in to a song and put it on hard mode. I immediately failed out and felt completely overwhelmed. But, I kept at it and within about 30 minutes I was completing the easier songs in the game on Expert with little trouble.

The notation takes a bit to get used to, and I'm sure that playing solos is going to be really difficult without basically memorizing them, but playing simple chord progressions is really fun and fairly intuitive. Pro mode seems to be a little more generous with your slight flubs than the 5 button mode, but that sort of makes sense. It's still not easy for me, and I was getting pretty low scores, but it was doable.

Outside of just the songs, there are a ton of tutorials and lessons. I think that each song has a trainer(I've done 3 so far) where they discuss each riff in a song, and talk a little about how you should be playing it. You then go through that riff and practice it over and over till you get it right.

After playing for about an hour to an hour and a half over 3-4 songs and some of the tutorials I called it a night. I keep a guitar at work in my office that I rarely use, but today I picked it up, and was able to play through the majority of "Hardest Button to Button" by the White Stripes based completely off of my Rock Banding.

I've read a lot of reports of people not liking the notation, or finding it overly difficult, but for me it's been a pretty positive experience. I haven't had a lot of time with it yet, so I'll report more later and see how I feel.
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 12, 2010 4:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

That's really, really awesome. This is definitely something I think I may look at investing in.
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 12, 2010 5:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

It's a bit loud. I'm not sure if I'll be using it in a group setting or just go back to the 5 button.

Are you a guitar player in real life? I wonder how steep the curve is if you're completely unfamiliar with it. If you do play, I'd recommend checking this song out to get an idea of what it looks like. It's all very simple chords that any guitar player would know:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Nek37FO2Ow

I'm currently ranked #6 in the world on that song! Very Happy

I can't imagine that'll last once more people get it.

Although I've really only tried a handful of songs, I'm loving the crap out of it. There's a lot more practice and memorization, but then... it's basically a real guitar.
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 13, 2010 4:09 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have very basic knowledge / skills with the guitar, mostly self-taught, so I'd be very wet behind the ears going into this, but I do have experience with other instruments, and a knack for picking up new ones rather quickly.

Funny thing is if this worked well as a tool to learn the guitar I'd actually become a pretty good player, since a video game would motivate me a lot more than just practicing things on my own, haha.
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 13, 2010 11:52 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Did you know that Viacom is trying to sell the company that makes this game and that it's not that profitable?

http://bostonherald.com/business/technology/general/view.bg?articleid=1295756&srvc=business&position=3

Crazy.
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 14, 2010 5:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yeah, I'd seen all that. Seems a bit difficult to believe that they're not making money hand over fist on the game.

Hopefully where ever they land, they keep pumping out the DLC
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 15, 2010 8:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

that's kinda interesting. Too bad the whole system is in the neck of the squire. I guess that normal guitars aren't going to be video game controllers anytime soon.
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 18, 2010 4:30 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

At some point someone is going to develop a pickup/mic that is a game controller, and just take input from that. Then we'll be able to play with any guitar, and ultimately with any instrument that can hit the notes.
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 18, 2010 10:16 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

They have a really hard time separating out the 6 different strings on a guitar going from Analog to Digital, especially since the same note can be played in multiple locations.

If this thing works, it'll be nice:
http://www.fender.com/features/rockband3/
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 18, 2010 2:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Lotan wrote:
They have a really hard time separating out the 6 different strings on a guitar going from Analog to Digital, especially since the same note can be played in multiple locations.

If this thing works, it'll be nice:
http://www.fender.com/features/rockband3/


That's just it, who cares what string you played it on?

Correct note? Check.
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 18, 2010 6:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yeah, for the most part it doesn't matter. In this game they have these lessons where they show you how to hold your hand for a specific note or chord, and knowing which string you're playing it on for that helps.

What I really meant though is that they've always had trouble turning the analog signal in to a digital one when you play more than one note at a time. I have a pretty high end module that has a feature that does it, but as soon as you play 2 strings, on purpose or by accident, it's kind of sunk.

I also had a Roland GK-2A digital pickup back in the day that more or less had midi out, but I found the tracking to be pretty sub par. Once you started bending, or hammer/pulling quickly, it was lost. That's part of the reason I find this whole thing a bit suspect. The pickup alone was about 200 bucks.

We shall see though.
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 19, 2010 1:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Lotan wrote:
Yeah, for the most part it doesn't matter. In this game they have these lessons where they show you how to hold your hand for a specific note or chord, and knowing which string you're playing it on for that helps.

What I really meant though is that they've always had trouble turning the analog signal in to a digital one when you play more than one note at a time. I have a pretty high end module that has a feature that does it, but as soon as you play 2 strings, on purpose or by accident, it's kind of sunk.

I also had a Roland GK-2A digital pickup back in the day that more or less had midi out, but I found the tracking to be pretty sub par. Once you started bending, or hammer/pulling quickly, it was lost. That's part of the reason I find this whole thing a bit suspect. The pickup alone was about 200 bucks.

We shall see though.


I was kinda wondering that myself so I just bugged my brother who is a big electronics/audio engineering type. He's not actually an audio engineer but he's setup a few studios.
He said an optical pickup would be the way to go. I didn't even know there was such a thing but yea they could probably get it to work if they spent time with that. It basically can tell pitch from the change of the string frequency. I'm kinda curious what that would sound like on an electric now. Magnetic ones effect the strings so it would be less invasive.
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