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PostPosted: Wed Aug 13, 2008 4:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

There is so much more that is happening with other classes to make things balanced, and if you had read the other ones you would know that. To instantly jump the gun and assume they are just making them more OP and not balancing everyone else then you're welcome to believe that.

Wrath of the Lich King is going to be amazing from the looks of it right now, but there will always be those who only look at the information that they can complain about and ignore anything else.
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 13, 2008 6:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Akuma wrote:
There is so much more that is happening with other classes to make things balanced, and if you had read the other ones you would know that. To instantly jump the gun and assume they are just making them more OP and not balancing everyone else then you're welcome to believe that.

Wrath of the Lich King is going to be amazing from the looks of it right now, but there will always be those who only look at the information that they can complain about and ignore anything else.


Dude, Guy is one of the last people you should consider to be a pussy ass QQ crybaby like you see on the forums. I agree with him. Shit is going to be whack for a while if everything we've read is set in stone. It won't be long before changes are made, guaranteed.
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 13, 2008 7:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Akuma wrote:
There is so much more that is happening with other classes to make things balanced, and if you had read the other ones you would know that. To instantly jump the gun and assume they are just making them more OP and not balancing everyone else then you're welcome to believe that.

Wrath of the Lich King is going to be amazing from the looks of it right now, but there will always be those who only look at the information that they can complain about and ignore anything else.


Dude, Guy is one of the last people you should consider to be a pussy ass QQ crybaby like you see on the forums. I agree with him. Shit is going to be whack for a while if everything we've read is set in stone. It won't be long before changes are made, guaranteed.


Except that nothing is set in stone. Beta has been active only a few weeks, so many changse are yet to be made, and people are complaining about things that have barely been worked on. Launch is months away and they are doing changes to the beta builds on a DAILY basis.

To jump the gun and complain about unbalance right now is ridiculous, especially since the level cap in beta isn't even 80 yet, and they've said NUMEROUS times they haven't even gotten to the point of balancing yet, they are just working on the outline of how abilities are going to function. So I'm sorry, but anyone who is complaining about how WoW is going to hell right now is just looking for reasons to complain, or hasn't done their homework.
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 13, 2008 10:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

<-agrees with Akuma
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 13, 2008 10:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Akuma, I agree totally that alot of the classes are showing as getting balanced, and I love that (it's about time), but it appears they are only balanced to the current build of the already overpowered classes.

And my experience with World of Warcraft since I started (sure, I wasn't in the original beta) is that what's put out in Beta will only get slightly changed before release. You might see small tweaks to the numbers used, but you can't really tweak things like adding an insta-cast escape for Warlocks (x2 of your specced right) or dual-wielding 2H weapons.

I did read the changes for Warrior and Warlock and those, I will complain about. But I might not have made it clear that I read the information about Paladin, Hunters, Rogues, Shaman and Mages. Nothing in those outstanding (in my opinion of course) class revamps for the latter group brings them anywhere close to being balanced with the new releases of the former two. I have some gripes about the Rogue changes too (read the Deadly Throw change), but I didn't mention it. But I did read the changes to Druids and I think they got an uneeded outrageous boost to feral form... as is currently written, I would place their changes up there with the Warriors and Warlocks.

Don't get me wrong, I hope they come to their senses and fix the changes to the already known overly powerful classes. I love WoW and, like I said above, I love the changes to most of the classes. But when Blizzard puts an emphasis on PvP, having imbalances which are seen in the current build of WoW and them adding even more power to those same classes at a rate that exceeds the others... they're killing themselves.

Anyway, seeing as all any of us have to go by for deciding on whether or not to pick up a game is based on the writings of sites like this, that actually have info we can process, AS IT IS WRITTEN... I won't be picking it up.

I'm not going to claim to be the Mr. Universe of WoW class knowledge, but I know enough about them to make fairly educated decisions about things I read when it concerns this game.

But ULTIMATELY, my post was to point out to Ex that one shouldn't take one person's opinion of a game that isn't even out yet as a reason to not pick it up. Just because I don't care for some of the changes, doesn't mean no one else will. Didn't mean to piss you off there, Akuma.
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 13, 2008 11:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

You didn't, sorry if I came off that way. I know you're not just some random forum QQer, I am just sick of reading the amount of crap that comes out of WoW forums, I'm sure you understand. Razz In any case I can understand your pessimistic outlook on things, given that the past tends to repeat itself, but I have very high hopes for the expansion, and I don't think things are going to turn out as badly as you think they will.

Things may not be perfect at launch but that's to be expected as a patch 2 months following launch will likely tweak things further. As for feral druids, having played one as my main for quite some time, well into Sunwell raiding and decently in arena, I can tell you that the changes made to them so far are crippling, and challenge feral's pve viability, so they definitely are not on the list of currently OP classes.
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 14, 2008 1:43 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I also like the direction they are heading. Everything I have read, reads as if the game will be MUCH more balanced than it has been in a very long time.

I feel your pain on the Rogue changes, but honestly, Rogues have been the most gimp class for more than a year.

EleShammy is going to be so damn sick, especially against melee.

Paladins got a ton of help with Ret being the Tree that may have gotten the most overall help of any of the Trees over any class.

All of the Hunter Trees look incredible, with BM appealing the most to me...mmmmmm, Dragon pet.

I'm not entirely sure what DW 2Handers will do for Warriors and I am leveling my Warrior again just to try this, but honestly, Warriors are already broked, Blizz just wants more people to play Fury. I know it seems crazy powerful to be swinging 2Handers in each hand, but I'm not sure you wouldn't use a fast offhand still and I'm still not sure losing the Healing debuff from MS will make Fury the prefered choice for PvP, just another option.

Lock's buffs struck me as a bit off the wall. I don't really understand how the most broken class in the game gets so much lovin and I totally understand anyones complaints about this particular change. That being said, I think when you step back and look at all of the changes on a whole, you have to see that WotLK will be a huge improvement for the player base of WoW. Everyone will be more powerful, but balance seems like it will much more true then it has been in a long time, maybe ever.
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 14, 2008 9:52 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Regarding locks, something people haven't seemed to notice is that everyone is getting ways to get out of fear, and reduce the duration of it. Its usefulness is going to be significantly reduced in wotlk, so chain-fearing isn't going to be an option anymore.
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 14, 2008 12:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

So I started a NE Warrior on Moon Guard.
Named Exzavier.
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 06, 2008 12:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

So what servers are people on now?

I am going to be going back to Horde - Gilneas but could transfer.
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 06, 2008 4:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I play with a really solid group of people on Horde - Doomhammer.
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 07, 2008 4:38 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

We've gotten into a really solid guild of great people on Moon Guard. Trial by Fire. We're currently raiding BT and going to Sunwell on Sat.

I have a feeling come the expansion that we're going to have on of the better raiding guilds. I can't wait honestly.
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 07, 2008 5:46 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've stopped raiding until the expansion, personally. The raids were nerfed so much that a team of monkeys could clear Sunwell now, it's sad. I understand that they had to make everything scale properly to 80, but meh, when people can successfully PUG encounters like Kael'thas and Illidan, I don't even want to bother.
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 07, 2008 6:22 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sunwell hasn't been nerfed. Its the only one that hasn't been.
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 07, 2008 6:39 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Kellion wrote:
Sunwell hasn't been nerfed. Its the only one that hasn't been.


Nope, every BC instance has been nerfed.

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Not to mention the damage / mitigation increase on players, as well as the new talents unbalancing things, and the new raid buff system, when Sunwell was balanced around having to stack so many raid buffs that are now raidwide. The game is a joke until next week.
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