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The End of The Internet as we Know It?
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 30, 2011 7:47 am    Post subject: The End of The Internet as we Know It? Reply with quote

I think this year maybe the end of the internet as we know it today.

A couple reasons:

No Net Neutrality - I think we are very close to the day when ISPs will start charging to bring your content to their subscribers over their network. Especially with Netflix, Roku, Boxee, Amazon VOD. It could go either of two ways. ISPs charge netflix $1 Million/mo to deliver their content or ISPs charge the customers an extra $4.99/mo to gain access to netflix or itunes etc.

Caps - ATT just announced they would be placing 100gig caps on their U-Verse customers. Comcast has a 250gig cap. Will Verizon match these caps? Will Comcast lower their cap? Mobile 3G caps are only 2GIG in some cases.

Speed - Some people cannot even get internet still and have to choose slow satellite. Japan, S. Korea, Hong Kong all have 1GBPS networks. We need to get atleast 100MBPS connections to the home going here in the states.

Price - There are no rules stating what the ISPs have to charge. This falls into Caps. They can charge you whatever they want if you go over. Just like on 3G plans.

Anti-Community Broadband Networks - Large ISPs are fighting to prevent towns from building out their own internet and tv networks if they are fed up with the poor service or lack of service from the ISPs.
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 30, 2011 7:51 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I can't help but think of Chicken Little when I see your thread title, but I think you are nearly correct.
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 30, 2011 8:13 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I agree, Ex, and it's disheartening to think that more people don't see it.
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 30, 2011 8:53 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Just a minor correction (as I am a U-Verse subscriber):

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Caps - ATT just announced they would be placing 100gig caps on their U-Verse customers


They will be capping their DSL service at 100GB, and U-Verse at 250GB.
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 30, 2011 10:07 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Caps aren't really a big deal, we've had them forever and it's never bothered me.
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 30, 2011 11:56 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The lack of net neutrality and the opposition to community networks are the only things on that list that concern me. Net neutrality in particular.

Regarding the rest of it... ISP's are being asked to carry more and more traffic for roughly the same money, so it's only reasonable that at some point they will have to cap usage, or more likely charge based on usage. A smaller fraction of the people are using a large portion of the bandwidth, so most users aren't going to be impacted.
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 30, 2011 12:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think the government needs to keeps its grubby paws off the net and stick a shoe horn up the ass of the FCC. We don't need government interference. Let Capitalism do its thing. Competition between ISP's will keep the prices reasonable. The less the government touches the better.
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 30, 2011 1:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I agree with Smitty. Government needs to stay the hell away from the internet, in every way. I do not want the information super highway turning into this century's version of the shitty highways I drive home on every day.

Oh look! We can all use it, and it's free (never mind my taxes), to bad it fucking sucks.
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 30, 2011 1:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Saying the internet doesn't need policing on some level is pretty irresponsible. Not sure that's what any of you were getting at though.

Also, Michigan had some of this a couple years ago and it got rolled back so all is not lost.
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 30, 2011 1:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

WE DON'T NEED ROME TELLING US WHAT TO DO


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PostPosted: Wed Mar 30, 2011 11:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

midget wrote:
Saying the internet doesn't need policing on some level is pretty irresponsible. Not sure that's what any of you were getting at though.

Also, Michigan had some of this a couple years ago and it got rolled back so all is not lost.


No, I'm not saying that the internet should be exempt from laws which exist to keep people safe from things such as theft and violence, just no federal regulation of it beyond limiting explicitly illegal activities.
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 31, 2011 2:35 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

That's the problem, I guess. If they make all sorts of laws regarding the internet, then a huge number of things are now explicitly illegal, thus the guh'ment is butting in where they don't belong.
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 31, 2011 3:06 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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No, I'm not saying that the internet should be exempt from laws...


Carry on then, good sir(s).
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 31, 2011 3:19 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Mongolio wrote:
That's the problem, I guess. If they make all sorts of laws regarding the internet, then a huge number of things are now explicitly illegal, thus the guh'ment is butting in where they don't belong.


How about I'm okay with them preventing people from using the internet to facilitate illegal activities in the physical world.
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 31, 2011 2:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

We've had this conversation before. I continue to believe that regulation is necessary to prevent abuse. The premise of capitalism - that greed will drive us towards the greatest common outcome - only works if that greed has to operate within parameters.
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 31, 2011 2:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Oh, and while we're talking about the internet: I give it a fair amount of credit for the revolutions that are spreading like wildfire. The internet is "power to the people" like nothing else that human history has ever seen.
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 31, 2011 2:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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The internet is "power to the people" like nothing else that human history has ever seen.


I would imagine much the same thing was said about the printing press.
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 31, 2011 2:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Mishlai wrote:
The internet is "power to the people" like nothing else that human history has ever seen.


Which is exactly why pole smokers like Joe Lieberman want to be in control of it just like they control main stream media. Google is already in league with the CIA. Don't believe me? My answer to you ironically is "Google it". I just hope that pesky Constitution keeps getting in the way of TPTB.
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 31, 2011 5:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Meanwhile: my post above is still the best in this thread. Suck it, word-speakers.
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 31, 2011 6:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Madhatte wrote:
Meanwhile: my post above is still the best in this thread. Suck it, word-speakers.
I'll have to verify that when I get home. The IT nazis where I work have reduced the grandness of your picture to a lowly red X.
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